To forgive or not to forgive? Moral issue of the Minsk agreements

Прощать или не прощать? Моральная проблема Минских соглашений

© RIA Novosti, Gennady OakWhile until the next Shrove Sunday a few months, but before the actual pardon do not know how long, I decided to attempt this difficult topic: whether to forgive the Donbass Ukraine? Not now, as ever. What is needed, what conditions must be met and whether the Donbas to forgive?The topic is complicated and very painful, much harder than all the talk about reintegration. Forgiveness — it’s inside, is something that is either there or not. Forgiveness cannot be faked, it is a deep interior sense, which is more important than most Forgiver than the forgiven. Because unforgiveness is a kind of bondage of hatred, the chains of which it is impossible to live long. Sometimes forgiveness comes along with indifference. It comes, it passes so much time that has really still, the pain dulled, the graves become overgrown with grass, life takes its toll. But often forgiveness should be suffered, as it was during the Great Patriotic war. Forgiveness can come when the guilty are symmetric punishment for their crimes. To forgive is very painful, but not to forgive even more.

This material was inspired by two people — the pianist Valentina Lisitsa, whom I did a month and a half ago interviews, and a resident of the DNI Simon Vasilets. Uncle Senya — under this name he entered in timeline featured channel on 15 October 2019. Valentine said in an interview very important words: “First of all we must remember we are neighbors, we can drift, we each other aren’t going anywhere. Neither Russia from Ukraine not fly nor Ukraine from Russia. A lot of blood spilled, a lot of blood between us. People have shed blood always. Remember what happened in Rwanda, when there was a massacre of Rwandan Tutsis by local Hutus. “My neighbors came, cut off the head of my husband killed my baby and raped me. They’re my neighbors, they still live here”. I read an interview with this woman. She forgave them!”Then I asked Valentina: “Forgiven?” Valentine continued: “Yes! Because she nothing else can do. They killed her family, but she can’t live without forgiveness. To live without forgiveness is much harder. We need to understand that we bleed that it’s none of us profitable. On a purely domestic level should be full Amnesty for all. It is disgusting! This is a civil war. Here fought the red and white, then all over. We survived that war. If You want to find your son’s killer, you go to court. It was illegal, the government had no right to use army within the country. This should be resolved in the courts. The court must find the killer and punish!”

Resident DND semen Vasilets on the question of the correspondent of the First channel of forgiveness and the ability to coexist quoted Vysotsky: “I do not remember evil — again, I’ll take it!”, and after told in their own words: “it is Possible, but it takes time, too many troubles done us very much. I-it’s okay… It’ll come. I was shot, wife stabbed, I’ll forgive them, I do not remember evil. My wife sometimes starts, and I tell her that is not necessary for people to wish evil that they know not what they do. To make this, but not in the near future, so just do not make peace…”

These words uncle Canopy smite, you realize that the person who lives on the very boundary line, and was wounded several times, has some incredible heart, a great ability to forgive in the name of the biggest jewels in the world. And at the same time in the capital studios sometimes meet sofa experts that war is not sniffing, but at the same time yelling that the war should continue until the last drop of blood, the blood of others, not them.

I asked several donbasstsev to talk about what they think about forgiveness. As soon as the need arises this will occur, if at all. Someone was horrified at the question itself, because it is too sick, someone said that I’m sorry, but after years.

Alexander Paretsky, General Director of Donetsk state academic Philharmonic society:

“I don’t know what to say. We’re just people. Sometimes we forgive those who are unforgivable, but sometimes that’s out of my life forever those who once loved and in whom doted. There is still the question: whom to forgive? Have done so much harm, so many fates broke other specific people and their decisions. To forgive them for it is hardly possible. In Ukraine, thousands of normal, adequate, sane people who have become victims of politicians and populists, forced to some extent to adapt to the reality around them and don’t need forgiveness. In General, the question of forgiveness is a very difficult and sensitive issue, which I definitely can not answer”.

Feagan father, a clergyman, which in 2015 is more than a month spent in captivity Ukrainian (DNI):

“Ukraine has betrayed us. Forgiveness is always a reciprocal decision, movement, intention to repent. Now to speak of the forgiveness of Ukraine is still very early. Not seen this possibility. Unfortunately, the side we don’t see even a shadow of remorse. I’m not talking about individual utterances of individual politicians, but when the Ukraine from all TV screens and from all other irons will broadcast the opposite, when they tell the truth about what happened here, in the Donbass, about what the truth of this war, who is right, but we’re right! And we the aggrieved party. When this is all sound, so maybe will start understanding, remorse, repentance. I’m talking about the mass phenomenon, of course. Then forgiveness will be possible, but not now.”

Fedor L., entrepreneur (DNI):

“First, let’s divide the concept: the state of Ukraine and Ukraine as a community of people inhabiting a certain territory. I believe that in this matter it is necessary to consider the concept of the Ukrainian state and, if we’re talking about forgiveness of the Ukrainian state, first, forgiveness must be a penance of what happened. As at the time Germany did, acknowledging the crimes of fascism and the Holocaust. And after a certain time period the Soviet people have not felt the enmity and hatred nor to Germany, nor the Germans, despite the enormous casualties of the war. It is possible, through repentance to Germany and had success in building their nation we see today. So forgiveness is, I admit, but as an action in response to repentance. But again, not with this power, and in that case if Ukraine will return to the political condition in 2012, and even better in the state of the Ukrainian SSR”.

Gregory P., militia (DNR):

“Can you forgive Ukraine? Depends what you mean by this, because in Ukraine the audience is quite unsuited. If these are the people who the sixth year silently watching us kill, their indifference and cowardice can be forgiven. After a while, to be treated, that is to say, condescending, but still deal with them, you can’t have in the foreseeable future. As for those who come to kill us, those who sent them to kill us, and those who sympathize with them, — not people. And their mother, who in all their pipes in 2014, the administration Poroshenko rallied to give their sons body armor and good weapons, instead of requiring Poroshenko have no one to send, they not people, too. They did not care that there is, in the Donbass, the same mothers and fathers who look at all this with humility, not arranging meetings, knowing that their children came to the defense. Therefore, I insist that there is, on the other hand, animals, beasts. Only need to be destroyed or kept in prisons and camps, better camera system, to a more or less normal people in Ukraine could breathe calmly began to wash away this shame. To ruined monuments to the Nazis to back renamed streets and cities. These are the girls on Russian television called normal citizens of Ukraine, they are required to wash off the dirt of indifference and cowardice, which layers they grew over the years. This is a sick society, and it should come back to normal”.Alexander Kushnarev, Odessa, father Gennady Kushnaryov, who died on may 2, 2014 in the House of trade unions:

“And they have no forgiveness!” — this phrase in the entire post-war Soviet prose and poetry, it sounds so far! Forgiveness is a religious concept, that is to say moral. Applicable only to the individual and it is unlikely to the people or the state! With forgiveness close to repentance, true repentance, and then forgiveness. In relation to the state of repentance is the lot of the vanquished. Ukrainian government, fascism is not yet defeated! Of course, Ukraine as a fascist state will be destroyed, broken, defeated, and Woe to the vanquished! The winner takes all! Will be interested in the winner repentance? Unlikely. Will the winner to think about forgiveness? Also unlikely. Forgiveness will discuss the next generation of winners. Forgive if the Soviet people of the European States for their actions in world war II? I don’t know of such statements at the state level. Looking for revenge of the Galician fascism, I think forgiveness would be inappropriate. How can there not be those of the fascist European States in the mid-twentieth century and fascist Ukraine will be destroyed. No one will repent, and will forgive a certain! In General, “And they have no forgiveness!” War crimes have no Statute of limitations!”

Altay (call), a volunteer from Kiev, a soldier of the national militia DNR:

“In five years of war under the Ukrainian flag was ruined thousands of lives. Burned alive Odessa, under the shells killed and continues to kill children of Donbass, someone suffers in the dungeons of the Kiev “Gestapo”. Every day one of the defenders of the DNI and the LC gives his life on the front line. Over the years I have lost many friends and comrades… However, this question cannot be a simple answer. There is a famous quote by Stalin: “Hitlers come and go, but the German people remains”. My grandfather stormed Budapest in 1945, and very painfully experiencing the collapse of the Soviet Union, considered himself Ukrainian, and always spoke in pure Ukrainian language. I always spoke to him in the same language. In my opinion, a healthy Ukrainian can not quarrel with the Russian because he is an integral part of the greater Russian world. Ukraine today is sick Bandera, and I don’t see a simple recipe for recovery. For denazification and to atone for those crimes need a huge will of his people. But such, alas, that is not observed. And yet we want to believe that someday we all will again settle down at one big table and… “Nich yaka msacn, Zoryana, clear…”


One of the most striking examples of forgiveness is the moment when one of the Greek Seven sages brought the killer of his son, he let go of the offender with the words: “it is Better to forgive than to regret”. According to the version of Heraclitus, it Alkaios he was released with the words: “it is Better to forgive than to revenge.” Aristotle believed that the tendency to forgive is a sin, the same as excessive anger and revenge. “Those who have no cause of anger something that should be considered fools”.

I often think about forgiveness, but not as a symmetric response to the repentance of the opposite side, and just about forgiveness, about incontinence of hatred inside, a pity for our unfortunate enemy. To forgive is not to forget, to forgive is not to remove responsibility from those who made the deadly decision. If you look at the German experience, it becomes clear that the German people were, of course, forgiven, but he himself was partly a victim, but the killer was not forgiven.

To forgive can and should be the one who needs forgiveness. Do I need the forgiveness of Donbass modern Ukraine, which demands from the republics of repentance, and asks her to forgive? Today — unlikely, but possible that tomorrow everything will change. The Soviet Union has forgiven Germany from the perspective of the winner — our forgiveness was generous and very correct. I know one thing — I desperately wanted to forgive the Donbass Ukraine from the position of the second cheek. Now you have us killed, and we are generous, we forgive you. If we forgive so that we, the living, definitely not forgive our dead, and that’s another measure of unforgiveness.

From the editor. Of course, we would like to get the same (of candor and prudence), a compilation of responses of citizens of Ukraine on the other side of the front. But here we are faced with insurmountable problems for us — none of our employees (permanent and contractor) agreed to interview Ukrainians. First, on Ukraine talks on this subject will be prosecuted and can have a very clear criminal consequences for the journalist and the interviewee. Secondly, the citizens themselves fundamentally are not ready to discuss the topic of forgiveness. They are, for the most part, at least at the official level, I believe that forgiveness is possible to speak only after full and final victory over the rebellious Donbass…Anna Revyakina

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